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	<title>Comments on: Why Doesnt Obama Stop Pretending To Be Listening To Other Ideas On Health Care?</title>
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		<title>By: dukemack</title>
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		<dc:creator>dukemack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 03:25:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What an exceptionally dishonest article.  First of all, Republican leaders and Republican Congressmen and Senators were invited.  Insurance company executives, HMO&#039;s, doctors and hospitals were all heavily represented.  The article complains about &#039;free-marketers&#039; not being invited, then near the end of the article (which you did not quote) it quotes a free-marketer that was invited.  What a joke.  The American Spectator is a biased source.  Nice try, but their game is easy to spot and see through.
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It is a puff propaganda piece because it attempts to create the impression that because SOME people were not invited that the meeting was not representative..  That is a spurious claim in and of itself because it is readily apparent that a wide array of differing viewpoints were in fact represented.  Obviously there is a finite number of guests that can be invited.  Duh.  &#039;Many&#039; free markerters weren&#039;t invited, but does it tell you that many single payer proponents were likewise not invited?  Of course not, because that is not the way propaganda is put together.  For example: It goes out if its way to say John Conyers and Bernie Sanders were there and then tries to minimize the fact that many members of Congress with exactly opposite views were likewise present by not mentioning their names.  Regular folks were also represented--I suppose you think that someone from the Cato Institute isn&#039;t the establishment, yet the article laments their not being present.  I think that the article would have far, far more credibility if it posted the entire guest list and referenced where each person attending was from.  But, that just wouldn&#039;t work as well as a propaganda device now would it?  :)
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About 30 Democratic members of Congress, compared to about 20 Republicans (roughly their percentage in Congress) and also representatives from Pfizer, The American Pharmaceutical Manufacturers and Research Association, The National Association of Manufacturers, U.S Chamber of Congress, Small Business Majority, USW, General Mills,  Insurance Companies, etc. 
Some single payer proponents were invited and some free-marketers were invited.  Many single payer advocates were NOT invited just like many free-marketers were not invited---that was my point.  The propagandist attempted to make it appear that free marketers were largely not invited and that single payers were largely invited.  That is simply not the case. 
Please, this is just whining and it is bogus.  Maybe he should have done a Cheney and closed the doors (also a la Hillary) and refused to even divulge those that attended based on a twisted claim of Executive Privilege like Cheney?  Certainly he had more people leaning toward his own perspective, but those with differing views were well represented too.  The criticism is just more sore loser rhetoric.  You guys lost, get over it.  Pat Robertson&#039;s Regents University grads are no longer going to be staffing the government  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What an exceptionally dishonest article.  First of all, Republican leaders and Republican Congressmen and Senators were invited.  Insurance company executives, HMO&#8217;s, doctors and hospitals were all heavily represented.  The article complains about &#8216;free-marketers&#8217; not being invited, then near the end of the article (which you did not quote) it quotes a free-marketer that was invited.  What a joke.  The American Spectator is a biased source.  Nice try, but their game is easy to spot and see through.<br />
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It is a puff propaganda piece because it attempts to create the impression that because SOME people were not invited that the meeting was not representative..  That is a spurious claim in and of itself because it is readily apparent that a wide array of differing viewpoints were in fact represented.  Obviously there is a finite number of guests that can be invited.  Duh.  &#8216;Many&#8217; free markerters weren&#8217;t invited, but does it tell you that many single payer proponents were likewise not invited?  Of course not, because that is not the way propaganda is put together.  For example: It goes out if its way to say John Conyers and Bernie Sanders were there and then tries to minimize the fact that many members of Congress with exactly opposite views were likewise present by not mentioning their names.  Regular folks were also represented&#8211;I suppose you think that someone from the Cato Institute isn&#8217;t the establishment, yet the article laments their not being present.  I think that the article would have far, far more credibility if it posted the entire guest list and referenced where each person attending was from.  But, that just wouldn&#8217;t work as well as a propaganda device now would it?  <img src='http://longbeach10.cityspur.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
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About 30 Democratic members of Congress, compared to about 20 Republicans (roughly their percentage in Congress) and also representatives from Pfizer, The American Pharmaceutical Manufacturers and Research Association, The National Association of Manufacturers, U.S Chamber of Congress, Small Business Majority, USW, General Mills,  Insurance Companies, etc.<br />
Some single payer proponents were invited and some free-marketers were invited.  Many single payer advocates were NOT invited just like many free-marketers were not invited&#8212;that was my point.  The propagandist attempted to make it appear that free marketers were largely not invited and that single payers were largely invited.  That is simply not the case.<br />
Please, this is just whining and it is bogus.  Maybe he should have done a Cheney and closed the doors (also a la Hillary) and refused to even divulge those that attended based on a twisted claim of Executive Privilege like Cheney?  Certainly he had more people leaning toward his own perspective, but those with differing views were well represented too.  The criticism is just more sore loser rhetoric.  You guys lost, get over it.  Pat Robertson&#8217;s Regents University grads are no longer going to be staffing the government  <img src='http://longbeach10.cityspur.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: zaphod73</title>
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		<dc:creator>zaphod73</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 02:36:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama got himself in this huge mess.  He basically has NO IDEA about what to do with health care.  So why is he now in this predicament about overhauling health care? Because none other than Hillary made it a campaign issue during the primaries, which Obama copied to be able to keep up.  The problem for BO is that now that Hillary is SOS and traveling a lot, he has no one to ask what to do, plus he&#039;s too arrogant to ask anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama got himself in this huge mess.  He basically has NO IDEA about what to do with health care.  So why is he now in this predicament about overhauling health care? Because none other than Hillary made it a campaign issue during the primaries, which Obama copied to be able to keep up.  The problem for BO is that now that Hillary is SOS and traveling a lot, he has no one to ask what to do, plus he&#8217;s too arrogant to ask anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Falafel & Loofah Aficionado</title>
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		<dc:creator>Falafel & Loofah Aficionado</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 02:10:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the HE that is his Obamaness is saying these things so that we can understand that we should be saying them of the One that is the Obama. He that is, is ready to grant us his forgiveness if we agree to see the divine beauty in all that the Obama says and does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the HE that is his Obamaness is saying these things so that we can understand that we should be saying them of the One that is the Obama. He that is, is ready to grant us his forgiveness if we agree to see the divine beauty in all that the Obama says and does.</p>
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		<title>By: 60srad</title>
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		<dc:creator>60srad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 01:15:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it would be much wiser for idiotic people to stop assuming what other people think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it would be much wiser for idiotic people to stop assuming what other people think.</p>
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		<title>By: susisays</title>
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		<dc:creator>susisays</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 00:34:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The spectator is right wing propaganda at is finest.
Actually, I have come to expect the same drivel from the spectator over and over. They hate facts. They love to assume what people believe and think, they love to predict what will happen in the future and get people riled up about it. 
Rush, Hannity and rags like the Spectator thrive on controversy and dividing the nation into &quot;liberals&quot; (people who disagree with what they have to say) and &quot;non-liberals&quot; (their audience). I don&#039;t see any reason to listen/read/watch these people, since that&#039;s all they&#039;re after. They could care less about what the truth is, they&#039;re after ratings, nothing more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The spectator is right wing propaganda at is finest.<br />
Actually, I have come to expect the same drivel from the spectator over and over. They hate facts. They love to assume what people believe and think, they love to predict what will happen in the future and get people riled up about it.<br />
Rush, Hannity and rags like the Spectator thrive on controversy and dividing the nation into &#8220;liberals&#8221; (people who disagree with what they have to say) and &#8220;non-liberals&#8221; (their audience). I don&#8217;t see any reason to listen/read/watch these people, since that&#8217;s all they&#8217;re after. They could care less about what the truth is, they&#8217;re after ratings, nothing more.</p>
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		<title>By: cardgirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>cardgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 23:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s the most encouraging news I&#039;ve heard yet.  Maybe he&#039;ll turn his back on the insurance racket and their practice of quack medicine after all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s the most encouraging news I&#8217;ve heard yet.  Maybe he&#8217;ll turn his back on the insurance racket and their practice of quack medicine after all.</p>
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		<title>By: 60srad</title>
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		<dc:creator>60srad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 23:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Basically Obama is going to do ONLY what he wants to do!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Basically Obama is going to do ONLY what he wants to do!</p>
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		<title>By: Gone Hunting</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gone Hunting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 22:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another lie among the hundreds being perpetrated on the American people by the Marxist/Socialist regime now occupying the White House.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another lie among the hundreds being perpetrated on the American people by the Marxist/Socialist regime now occupying the White House.</p>
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		<title>By: bmovies6</title>
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		<dc:creator>bmovies6</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 22:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Give him a break! Pretending is what he does best. (btw..DeMint, Price and Chambliss are all from the South..[and people say we&#039;re the dumb ones] Where are Kennedy and Schumer and the gang from?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Give him a break! Pretending is what he does best. (btw..DeMint, Price and Chambliss are all from the South..[and people say we're the dumb ones] Where are Kennedy and Schumer and the gang from?</p>
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